Thursday, July 31, 2008

Does The Buyer's Agent Work For The Seller?

So I love to IM, so here is a question over IM. The Handles have been changed.

[16:15] C-Pow: Hi Frank, this is Larry. Got a sec for a quick question?
[16:15] Frank'sIM-: yes

[16:16] C-Pow: My Mother-in-law just learned from her boss what Seller's Agency is. Needless to say, she's starting to freak out. =)
[16:16] C-Pow: An agent hasn't provided an agency disclosure yet, but we haven't really made any decisions yet either
[16:16] C-Pow: so i figure it's just a bit early
[16:17] C-Pow: Do agents usually work under an EBA?
[16:18] Frank'sIM-: getting off phone now
[16:18] Frank'sIM-: (really pissed at an REO agent that hasnt called, emailed or texted me back in 9 days)
[16:22] C-Pow: Hopefully it's not the same guy that's listing the REO that we are looking at ;)

[16:23] Frank'sIM-: done ranting

[16:24] Frank'sIM-: no need to freak
[16:24] Frank'sIM-: you talking about how state law (disclaimer, I am not a lawyer) technically means that
[16:24] Frank'sIM-: the buyer agent that shows you a home works for the listing agent?
[16:24] C-Pow: bingo!

[16:24] Frank'sIM-: that is hogwash
[16:24] Frank'sIM-: it is an old trick that they
[16:25] Frank'sIM-: teach in the "big companies" as a way to scare people into signing a buyer agency agreement

[16:25] Frank'sIM-: "if you dont sign here, then I work for the seller" it is BS
[16:25] C-Pow: i see
[16:26] Frank'sIM-: did you read my blog post on buyer agency agreements?
[16:26] C-Pow: absolutely
[16:26] Frank'sIM-: I talk about why it is good to sign them, but I think I dispels that myth
[16:26] Frank'sIM-: I wouldn't use THAT tactic
[16:26] Frank'sIM-: the one where "you better sign, or I am gonna screw you and work for the seller"
[16:26] Frank'sIM-: (if it is in there, I gotta take it out)
[16:26] C-Pow: right

[16:33] C-Pow: So your expert advice would be to tell the Mother-in-law to chill?
[16:33] Frank'sIM-: yes
[16:33] Frank'sIM-: or if it makes you feel better start with an email from your buyer agent saying "we work for YOU, not the seller"
[16:33] Frank'sIM-: which is also legal since it is in writing
[16:33] Frank'sIM-: I would lose my license if I went and conspired with the listing agent
[16:33] C-Pow: i see
[16:34] Frank'sIM-: nobody even does that. Absolutely nobody does what is known as "sub agency" (as I have ever seen)
[16:34] Frank'sIM-: where you work for another firm and you are the assistant to the listing agent
[16:34] Frank'sIM-: urban myth
[16:34] C-Pow: nice
[16:35] Frank'sIM-: I can blog about it on my
[16:35] C-Pow: Have you emailed (kidding)
[16:35] Frank'sIM-: show it to you ma
[16:35] Frank'sIM-: I should
[16:35] C-Pow: cool
[16:36] Frank'sIM-: fyi seller's agent
[16:36] Frank'sIM-: in virginia has 2 legal definitions
[16:36] Frank'sIM-: it means buyer agent on the one hand on some contracts and
[16:36] Frank'sIM-: listing agent on the other
[16:36] Frank'sIM-: so I only use buyer agent and listing agent
[16:36] Frank'sIM-: I never use "seller's agent"

[16:36] C-Pow: that's maddeningly logical of you....
[16:37] Frank'sIM-: I even yell at reporters to get it right.
[16:37] Frank'sIM-: "seller's agent" is very counter intuitive and they use it wrong all the time

Written by Frank Borges LL0SA- Broker

Buying in Lyon Park, Waycroft and Ashton Heights Arlington


Good morning Frank,
I am a frequent blog reader and also user of your franklymls site; one of the most helpful tools for buyers, in my opinion. My husband and I are currently looking for 2-3 bedroom single family homes in Lyon Park, Ashton Heights, and Waycroft, preferably in the range of $600-725K. We rent just down the road from 1021 in Courthouse, so we're fairly familiar with the area, but have had some difficulties in identifying
a) for sale by owner homes and
b) new listings of less than a week or two, by which time the ones worth seeing are typically under contract.
Any thoughts? Linda

Hello Linda,
Yep, I have thoughts.
Email alerts will be key, and I will set those up to be hourly. Just make sure to confirm the first emails (3 total). The first email will have current homes and subsequently you will get an email every few days with new listings and price drops. I put the max for $900k so you know about everything.
Here are the homes that have sold since Jan 2008, about 1 per month per category. Which one do you like?
Ashton Heights
(half sold within a week)
And if you do decide to sign with us (see blog post on Exclusive Buyer Agency agreements) we can be even more aggressive and actually send out a mailing to those areas specifically trying to find people who haven't picked a Realtor yet and are about to sell. I get about a 1% response rate, which isn't bad.
I'm sure you have seen the actives, can you tell me what you like and don't like from these?
Of the actives, what were your thoughts of these 2 in Lyon Park:
These 6 in Ashton Heights:
and this short sale: [edited out as per MRIS rules]
2 in Waycroft
As a rule of thumb, homes that sell in the first 10 days tend to keep 99% of their list price. However on average a home will drop 8% from the top price. So we want to look at homes that are 10-15% higher just in case they are way overpriced and can be knocked down, but then again, we have to get hourly alerts in case something good hits that is properly priced. Did you see the FranklyCRA blog post on how to tell (in part) if something is overpriced?
As for FSBOs your best bet it Craigslist. And will link to craigslist at the bottom of each individual listing. Also I just signed up for which will give me some heads up for possible bank stuff coming down the pipeline.
Would you like to meet at one of the properties above? In part to just look around and in part to meet in person.
Also if you are on AOLIM or GTALK, my handles are below.
And have you spoken to a lender yet? If so which one?
- Written by Frank Borges LL0SA- Broker

Wednesday, July 30, 2008

Slick Realtor? We Offered, He Fudged the DOM

Hello, love your input & realistic wake-up for some.
Question- we put in an offer on a home that had been sitting close to a year. As soon as our offer was received the agent relisted the house and days on market went to 1 (both DOM-P/M)! It looked like a brand new listing with new remarks - the whole deal! Of course, it generated folks. They waited to respond & got a better offer. Slick Realtor? Shouldn't they be fined for these kind of plays? I would love to report the Realtor - if it were true that they messed with MLS data to get property refreshed.
Possible? If helpful... [address here]


Hey Sally,
Were you using a buyer agent? If not, that was your first problem.
Remember, the Listing agent represents the SELLER, not you.
Actually I looked up the listing. He did what I call "legal & fatfree fudge". The DOMP actually did NOT reset. So they were completely ok with what they did.

Also the agent did a great job sitting on your offer. Agents LOW low offers since you can use them to entice other offers. They don't owe you any obligation, they are allowed to use your offer to inspire other offers. Actually I always have said that it takes 2 buyers to sell a place. Regardless of it being week 1 or year 2.

Best of luck. And yes, for others that want to file a compliance complaint, that can be done easily, just email me.

Written by Frank Borges LL0SA- Broker
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Monday, July 21, 2008

Specific Performance, Can I Sue?

would you please make a blog post on specific performance, i currently have a buyer who is changing their minds about a listing, and i would love to have my lawyer send them a letter if nothing else just pretending that i am going to go after specific performance.... have you ever tried this? Best; Ted, Realtor
Hey Ted,
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.
I'd love to give you advice, but this really is a legal matter that you would have to engage a lawyer for. My understanding is that you can sue and make the seller sell their place to you at your agreed upon contract. But you better make sure your contract is iron clad. I could give some examples on how to get out of a contract, but I don't want to encourage people doing that. You might also read your contract and see what it says about legal fees in the event of a dispute. Also ask your lawyer if you can go after the brokerage to receive your commission.
Good luck

Sunday, July 20, 2008

Condo Fees For New Construction. Up?

I recently answered a question about the risks involved with condo fees going up exponentially with new constructions.

Snoopy, you are dead right about condo fees with new buildings.

They DOOOO skyrocket in the first year.

Sure it is decided by the condo board, and they hate to do it, but they have to. The builder puts in artificially low fees so that you get attracted to the condo. Then once the board is set, they are like "WTF" we have to cut everything AND skyrocket our fees.

I live in Clarendon 1O21 in Arlington and after the board took over we cut everything down the the free water and coffee maker. And our rates went up 10% the first year. I think another 5% the second year.

One big part of that was the reserve. The builder left NO reserve for the future. So we had to create a 5 year plan to build a $400,000 reserve (or something like that), which meant increasing fees to build this.

So YES, you have to watch out for that. But that is only 1 of about 10 tricks that new builders will do, so be VERY cautious, and whatever you do, don't go in without an agent, many do.

Frank Borges LL0SA

Saturday, July 19, 2008

I Inherited a Home. Can You Value It?

I was wondering if you would be available on the 23rd to come and take a look at a house I just inherited in Arlington.
It is a split-level home located at XXX. My father passed away in March and my brother and I inherited the house together. Right now, I need to find out what it is worth so I can buy my brother out. I am not sure if I will rent it (it is a rental now) or sell it this spring.
I found your website when I was searching for a realtor who was familiar with Alexandria (my brother is looking to purchase a condo there.)
My tenant said she would also be home on the 22nd if you would be available then.

Hey Jane,
I don't think I am the right person for you. However I can make a suggestion.

I suggest you hire an appraiser (email me and I can ask my lender for one). That way you get an unbiased number that your brother would be less likely to question.

While some Realtors have no problem spitting out data in 10 minutes and giving you a price, I don't do that. I only give pricing AFTER I'm hired and I take about 6-8 hours to help YOU come up with a number. So while many websites will try to lure in a seller with a "free home evaluation" report, I don't do that.

Also many Realtors will give you a higher price in hopes to try to win your future business. The highest price Realtor wins... That is called Buying a Listing.

Also once you find a price, you have to try to decide what is "fair." Do you buy him out at 50% of the appraised price, or do you adjust it for Realtor fees? Well if you are going to sell it in 6 months, that might not be fair since you are going to have fees then as well. But if you don't sell it, why should he get the full price, assuming no fees.

Best of luck.

Written by Frank

Wednesday, July 16, 2008

How much to Lowball in Virginia?

Somebody recently asked what % below list to offer if you wanted to lowball a place?

My answer:
Lowballs don't really work.

They sound all sexy and everyone around the water cooler might say "low ball the heck out of that house, this is a buyer's market!" Yeah sounds all great, but look at the stats. Have your agent pull some real MLS data for you.

Look at the last 100 homes in that area that have sold. I bet you only 1 or 2 have dropped 15% from the current asking price.

So mathematically you would have to offer on 50 properties before you landed a "lowball." They just don't work. So Redfin is smart to say "No Thanks" to those types of buyers that just don't "get it" yet. Perhaps with the notion that "once they 'get it'... they will be back."

And don't get fooled by the agents that WILL let you put in low balls. They are full of it. They know you won't win the contract. They are just hoping that you will get worn down and still use them (or get you locked into an exclusive contract).

I even know one agent that blogs about lowballing... but in reality he tells me it doesn't work, but it gets people to his site and he gets deals from it. (I hate that kinda stuff)

Now there is some debate as to what a lowball is. I actually don't consider offering 15% less on a property that is overpriced by 20% a lowball. In the building where I live there was a unit that was 20% overpriced. A FSBO. $100,000 overpriced. So would your offer that comes in 15% lower be a "low ball?"

I say no. I say you are overpaying by 5%. Highballing it! (that sounds like a drug reference)

It is rare (way overpricing), but it happens. Some agents, or sellers just completely miss the mark. There is a place like that right now in Alexandria. It is about $100,000 overpriced.

Guess what, I did a Frankly CRA, Comparative Realtor Analysis and saw the last 2 listings the agent closed $100k and $140k below list price. Coincidence? I think not.

So back to the example above, the 2 people that bought for 15% less. I bet you one of those was actually 15% overpriced, so they just got current market rates.

Bottom line is don't focus on % below list or you will miss the best values out there. Know your area's value and focus on VALUE!

Sometimes offering ABOVE list can get you a better "deal." Especially bank owned properties. I had to bid on 6 recently to get one. Ask me to offer 15% below on properties that sell for above list... yeah right.

Best of luck! ;-)

Frank Borges LL0SA

Tuesday, July 15, 2008

"I Can't Afford to Rent, So I Gotta Buy" WTF?

Yep, that was the essence of a recent email exchange! See below.

Initial email:
Frank, My husband and I are interested in this house. We are currently living with my parents until we can get on our feet. We just moved from Prince William county to Fairfax county/Loudoun county line. I saw this house and was very interested in it. Now I will tell you we (my husband and
I) do not have great credit and do not have very much to put down, like I said we are just getting back on our feet. My husband had a heart attack last year. I was wondering what kind of first time home buyer option we might have, considering our credit isn't very good? please e-mail me at [removed] Thanks Linda

Hey Linda, What about renting till you can save more? Buying with no money down
is possible but the fees are outrageous (yes sometimes they get rolled into the loan, but they are real fees).

Watch my video on the myths of buying. It is much much cheaper to rent. And no it isn't throwing money out the window.
It was my first video on

Linda's Reply:
Thank you for your time. We are not going to rent, because we will not be saving money that way, rent around us is way to high. Thats why we moved in with my parents because our rent increased over 1000.00 for a 2 bed room apartment. I have 2 small child who are looking forward to have their own house and their own yard. Thank you for your time and thoughts. We will find someone else who can help us.

Final Frank Reply:
Buying in this area is almost never cheaper, when comparing 2 identical places, sorry.
Even after tax breaks renting is 20 to 30 percent cheaper.

The thought that somebody is buying because they can't afford to rent blows my mind. You will find out sooner or later.
And anybody that tells you otherwise is trying to trick you put of money. Best of luck.

Final Analysis
Wow, isn't that amazing. Bad credit, no money... so the solution... buy a house! It is the level of entitlement that some people feel in regards to home ownership. It is a a shame. And sure enough, some shady agent will help them find a 'dream home"and they will be foreclosed on in 9 months.
Written by Frank

Friday, July 11, 2008

Investing with Family


Hi Frank
My Name is Erica and I am wondering if you would mind sharing a bit of your wisdom. I stumbled upon an article on that referenced your blog so I thought I would check it out. I appreciate all the information you have posted there already its quite helpful. First let me give you some information about me and my “disclaimer” and if you are not able to offer any advice I fully understand.

I am an American living in Canada – married to a Canadian
My Husband and I are interested in purchasing a property in the US with the intent to rent it for most of the year
My Husbands Sister and brother in law are interested in making this purchase with us (all three of them are Canadian)
We are currently looking at homes/town houses/condos in Southern California (I know this is NOT your area J )

None of us have ever purchased property in the US and I understand the process is a bit different there than it is here in Canada. I want to make sure we are well informed before we jump in head first as most of the process for us will be done long distance. My sister in law and I are planning a trip to southern California at the end of the month to meet with a real-estate agent she has been communicating with and to view some homes in areas we have been researching.

So after all of that my questions are these do we need to be preapproved for a certain amount before we make an offer on a property there? Do laws very by state regarding the purchase and sale of a home? We have a wonderful relationship with my husbands family and we want to keep it that way so are there specific clauses that can be placed in the purchase agreement that hold every one equally liable regardless? Keeping in mind that my husband and I might be the “little fish” in this bigger deal we want them to know that if something goes wrong as this is all very new to all of us that they will not be left holding the bag.

Again I do understand that you work on the east coast and not in California, though I wish you did because I LOVE your MLS site and the information you provide there. I appreciate any bits of wisdom you might be able to offer.

Kindest Regards

Hey Erica,
Every area is different, but I'll tell you about my area, but you will have to ask your agent about your area. (and California is another beast altogether)

1) So we need to be preapproved for a certain amount before we make an offer on a property there?

YES. While you don't HAVE to have a preapproval letter first, any/most listing agents will require one. Kinda a "we will consider your price of XYZ, IF we know you can pay for it."

Also it just isn't good to be offering on places until you have a decent level of certainty about your ability to but it. ESPECIALLY if you are buying it as a partnership, which can make MUCH stricter rules (ie more money down, higher rate etc)

2) Do laws very by state regarding the purchase and sale of a home?

3) We have a wonderful relationship with my husbands family and we want to keep it that way so are there specific clauses that can be placed in the purchase agreement that hold every one equally liable regardless?

Yes, a clause that says "Sorry family members, we love you too much to go into business with you." It really is a recipe for disaster. Everyone has good intentions, and one thinks that they can write out all of these "what if" scenarios, but you can't even scratch the surface with the unknown. What if one wants to sell and another doesn't? What if the market drops in half and one wants to sell? What if it doubles and one wants to sell? You will buy them out at the "fair price?"

Keeping in mind that my husband and I might be the “little fish” in this bigger deal we want them to know that if something goes wrong as this is all very new to all of us that they will not be left holding the bag.

> It might be easier to make it a straight loan and not a revenue sharing deal. That way they wouldn't have any say in when to sell. As long as you make your payments, they can't say anything. But remember, it will be MUCH harder to get a loan for this.

Written by Frank

Mortgage Late fees. Is 5 days Legal?

Frank, Several months ago I refinanced by office building, which is actually just a single family home converted into a Insurance agency.
The company that we refied with was a Bayview Loan Servicing, which if I would have known how difficult they were to deal with I would have never used them.
My question to you is whether or not it is legal for them to only allow me a 5 day grace period before they attach an exorbitant late fee. My home, old office mortgage & even an investment property I own, give me the customary 15 days, this 5 day stuff is extremely difficult especially when our commission monies do not come even come in until the 5-10th of the month.
I have tried to deal with them but they are extremely nasty & truly could care less. Actually it looks to me as if they are trying to make people late so that they can charge the extra monies.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Mark

Hey Mark,
Sorry, but I don't know. But maybe somebody will find this post and share their info. So post a "hi" and subscribe to the comment feed (I think this blog lets you do that).

I do know that the lending world is highly regulated, so I would be surprised if they were able to get away with shorter grace periods, if it wasn't legal. As it is due the 1st, I don't know if the law can say "give people more time."

People love going to or and getting the absolute cutthroat lowest price, without caring about the fineprint. So yeah, they probably made $500 less on you up front, with the hope that X% of their clients will pay $200 in late fees every year.

I wish I could point you in the right direction, but unless a lawyer knows off the top of their head, it is going to cost you a few hundred to find out.

I will also direct a few lenders to chime in.

And lastly, if you DO find that they aren't legally allowed to do 5 days, you might be able to get your money back for past penalties.

- Written by Frank Borges LL0SA

Thursday, July 10, 2008

My Short Sale Offer & Moving Trucks

Hi, Frank.

I have a problem and wondered if you've addressed it on your blog. My husband and I made an offer on a home. According to the remarks in the listing, it's an approved short sale. The listing agent (the guy really needs to learn understandable English or my agent should let me talk to him since I speak his language!) said that the bank would accept an offer for the approved price and offer 3% in closing costs. Our full-price offer went in the morning of July 2.

My on-the-ball realtor couldn't reach him until Tuesday of this week to confirm receipt. (The guy doesn't return phone calls.) He had forwarded the offer to the asset manager, who responded that he would have an answer by Thursday (today). Today, the asset manager said the bank needs another two weeks. Is this standard?! I had hoped to have movers come in three weeks in anticipation of closing in four to five weeks. (This is a cross-country move.) From my perspective, I think they're hoping for a better offer over asking price. I've looked at the comps and the asking price is right on target.

When my agent originally called the LA after the showing last week to find out specifics for submitting an offer, the LA told her that he already had an offer on it for $25K less than what we planned to offer. She thought it odd that he shared that info with her (he wasn't the only agent to "disclose" other offers.) I don't trust the LA not to share the amount we offered in hopes of a higher offer in this two-week interim. To his credit, both he and the homeowner are calling the bank every day trying to get this offer pushed through (or so he says).

Is there some kind of law that prohibits this type of bank stalling tactic? It does not seem fair. A homeowner can't do this. What allows a bank to do it? And, is there anything a buyer can do aside from submit a ridiculously high offer? Any insights you have would be greatly appreciated. I'm just looking for a second perspective (especially considering my agent is out of town for the next two days and I'm driving myself crazy with worry--we NEED a house before school starts!).
Thanks so much.

Frank's Answer:
Evelyn, Sorry, but you are nuts! Moving across the country to a short sale? The only thing worse would be if you used the Listing Agent as your agent (dual agency). I got a nearly identical email last week about how she is now homeless (sold her place already).

To answer your question, Hell no! There is no law (I am not a lawyer) that requires somebody to ratify a contract quickly. My guess is you didn't ask the 10 questions to ask every short sale and did your agent look at the agent's track record to see if they have ever closed one. If they haven't, I would give it a 1 in 12 chance of closing (was 1 in 20 in Feb).

You have to start looking elsewhere. As for the listing agent saying it was "bank approved," I really wonder. If that is true, that the bank approved list price and a seller subsidy, there should NOT be any stalling. Banks don't care enough. If their chain of command approved X, and you offer X, who gets a bonus if they get X plus 1? Nobody. I don't think the listing agent is trying to get a bigger commission, so it is probably NOT bank approved.

Again, these "steals of a deal" are bogus.

And what people constantly misunderstand is they initially say "oh I can be patient in order to save $20,000." But it isn't a matter of patience. If only 1 in 10-20 close, and it can take 3-4 months, do the math... that means 3-4 years to get a home.

I would ONLY let my clients consider a short sale if there is a competent Listing Agent that has done them before.

Written by Frank Borges LL0Sa

Thursday, July 3, 2008

Discount Agent Horror Story & Question

Hi, I came across your website in search (googling) of information on how to get out of a sticky situation. Any advice you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Two days ago (7/1) we closed on a REO home. We did not get the HOA resale packet at closing. It turns out it wasn’t even ordered…. (we used a discount agent…. He’s not very helpful,,, won’t even return my calls…Now we know….)

Yesterday I called the HOA mgmt company and found out that there’s ~ $1400 in fees/fines levied against the previous owner. If I understand it correctly, we inherited that obligation.

Questions I have are:

1) can we legally cancel the contract within 3 days (by tomorrow)? … there’s language in the VA Property Owners Act that states that within 3 days of receipt of HOA Resale Package buyer may cancel… but since we didn’t get one, can we?

2) If we can’t, can the owner’s title policy protect us?
Thank you.


Hey Jacob,
Sorry to hear that you have a bad experience with a discount agent. They aren't all bad, but I do frequently get emails like this.

First off, I am not a lawyer, but I might be able to give you food for thought to ask your lawyer.

1) HOA packet at closing? Normally this is done within the first week of being under contract.
My understanding in Virginia is that you do have a right to cancel a contract for not getting the HOA docs... up until closing. I believe that closing ends that right. In other words, you could have stopped and NOT closed due to the lack of HOA docs, but since you DID close, that was your decision.

2) My understanding was that the HOA loses their rights to fees after a home is foreclosed on. Unlike taxes, the HOA dues do not attach to the house once it is foreclosed on. Now if the foreclosure was on Jan 1 2008, and the bank hasn't paid since then, then yes you might be responsible from taht day forward. But, I don't think, you would be responsible for years or months of HOA payments that were not made before the foreclosure. (this is NOT gospel, but my understanding, you need to verify it with a lawyer)

Correction: I asked a closing specialist. Here is my question and her reply:
Frank> HOA fines and fees do not survive after a foreclosure (bank steps) right? The tally starts over when the bank takes the property over.
Closing company> Unless they were a lien, HOA fees do survive. Bank should pay.

As for the title insurance, I don't know if that would cover it. My guess is that it would not.

Let me also guess... you used THEIR closing company? This is another reason NOT to use the bank's closing company. If you had your own company, this information should have been found BEFORE closing.

So ask the closing company:
1) Did you do a search for any liens on the property? Including the HOA. Why didn't this come up.
2) Does my Title Insurance cover this?
3) Then ask them if Virginia law allows the HOA liens to survive through/past a foreclosure.

Hope that helps,
Frank- Broker